We Are Ego Thieves… Not Pirates!
Ok, as of this moment in time, at 2pm on Friday 11th September 2009. You cannot download any of our exclusive in house mixes. Why? Well according to Servage Hosting (who just hosts our download as we have had this server for a good while now, but they do NOT host Ego Thieves website) they where sent a DMCA as far as we know on 2009-09-10 17:10:48 GMT by Websheriff.com on behalf of MINISTRY OF SOUND (incl. HED KANDI / HARD2BEAT / GLOBAL UNDERGROUND / KISS).
Firstly i would like to thank our member kingoftherastas for notifying us that the mixes were down. This came at a bit of a shock as we use private hosting so you can all download our mixes fast and free (well at our expense of course!). When i checked our FTP, our whole Ego Thieves folder was missing? Lets just say i was not best pleased…! Im the only person who has any access to this FTP bar Servage themselves. Now Servage to be fair haven’t been too bad in the past, hosting is a bit crap hence we use it host our mixes and a few test sites when i do my development but that’s it. Now according to those lovely folks at Servage their support is the best and ”Our average response time is 20 minutes.” Well isn’t that a crock.
I put in a support ticket at 1.03am and waited over two hours before i sent a follow up, still nothing! Then when i awoke this morning i saw a reply from Nick at 6.28am. Now it may just be me of course, and i know im Cypriot and Turks are renowned for being late, but even as a Turkish 20mins… that’s taking the piss. All they said was to check my admin messages (which by the way you have no idea you even have as they dont email or anything!). When i did i was actually in utter :O face to what i saw, and i quote:
Now for those who don’t know what a DMCA is, its basically a law that allows companies to contact your hosting direct and ask for removal of copyrighted work. That’s fair enough, even if the law is very much in a grey area and contradicts itself many times over but that’s a whole other post. But we support the removal of illegal content online yadda yadds. But what Ministry Of Sound are saying is that as a DJ i cannot produce a mix that i host with my own money on my own server for a track i have paid for (or some cases been given as a promotional track). We do not make ANY money, i repeat ANY money off our mixes. We do not have advertising on the covers, we don’t charge for the mixes or make any profit at all. The mixes are purely for promotional use as our disclaimer says so on our sidebar. We do not condone posting up illegal tracks and have never done so. Nor have we once received a complaint from any DJ, Producer, Artist or label. In-fact its been the exact opposite!
We have had untold emails, phone calls, texts and just pure love shown from masses of producers and artists thanking us for including them on our mixes and how much they love our mixes and what we do. Including some Ministry Of Sound producers!! Its an absolute farce that Ministry have employed and paid for another company to have a track on a free DJ promotional mix removed from their site. Its also nonsense that Servage hosting did not inform us and instead of just removing that mix, they obviously got intimidated and removed the whole folder with all our mixes in again without notification. Its as many would say a straight ‘Par’.
So what does this mean for music? Are Ministry Of Sound now going to hit every DJ mix with one of their tracks on it for removal from the Internet? What about all those pirate stations? Or even the down-loadable shows of pirate shows? Or the DJs who pay hard working money for tracks on their label? Are we no longer allowed to play or promote any of those tracks without written permission from Ministry themselves? What about the millions of podcats? Youtube videos? DJ mixes? Cds? Are MOS going to start emailing people to remove tracks off their iPods?
We are not in the business of pirating any form of music as music is very much our business. When we make a mix we try to post and link to every artist and producers page, we message or email them letting them know we have put their track on the mix and make sure we let people know what music we love and support. All this action has done is made Ministry Of Sound look stupid. Already had tones of support from fans and established producers alike telling us what bullshit it is and how they (MOS) need to ‘fix up their act’.
We are one of the only blogs around who produce high quality, consistent mix series online with full artwork and positive promotion for everyone we feature. We have had nothing but amazing feedback on what we do and our fan base as well over 100k downloads and 2000 page-views a day says it all. Many have suggested MOS are ‘hating’ on us. This may very well be the case. I personally think its ignorance and lack of research and knowledge and are quick to tarnish us with a piracy brush, when in-fact they couldn’t be any further from the truth.
I will be informing MOS of how weak and futile this move was and i know for a fact they could of easily contacted us themselves to let us know how they feel. Either way you have wasted your money and time. You have not ‘won’ anything or taken down some huge piracy website and definitely not made your selves look like ‘The Man’. You have made yourselves look immature, small minded and completely idiotic by hiring a company to take down a free, non commercial, promotional mix by a DJ trying to expose new music to the masses. I suggest you hang your heads in shame while Ego Thieves sing very loudly that there is ‘No Pain In This Dojo’ :).
Now with the recent massacre of shootings and people having their heads decapitated outside of their club due to drug dealers having wars about whos going to sell drugs in their club and innocent clubbers getting injured, shot and nearly killed. You would of thought they would have allot more worrying matters to attend to?
The mixes will be up again soon, even though i don’t feel i have to i actually want to remove that Nero remix myself from the mix as i want to no longer support MOS label until they man up and contact us themselves instead of cower behind a company called Web Sheriff…..lol i mean whats that? Sounds like its a job for….
Semothy JonesSeptember 11, 2009 2:40 pm
JenaiSeptember 11, 2009 3:03 pm
lol bit of a read but got our bluurdclart point across. Blam.
ExcelSeptember 11, 2009 10:08 pm
Boom…cant belive they did this lol
NattySeptember 12, 2009 8:03 pm
THERE IS NO PAIN IN THIS EGO DOJO
JehromeSeptember 14, 2009 10:42 am
lol that is some bulllshit
kingoftherastasSeptember 15, 2009 11:58 am
im glad i could help you out by letting you know haha!! i thought that it was just my computer being gay because the links had clearly worked for others. what the hell man, screw ministry of sound, who the hell are booty luv anyway? you probably did them a favour including them in your (amazing) mixes. cuz i wouldnt be listening to them otherwise. hope you get your mixes back up and running SOOOOOOOOOON!!! lucy 🙂 xxx
JenaiSeptember 15, 2009 6:29 pm
Cheers Lucy, we have had lots and lots of support and anger towards Ministry for what it seems is an act of either ignorance or hate. Either way its not acceptable, and your comment just reenforces what we do which is introduce people to new music they may not have been able to listen to otherwise. We do this in a mix format promoting each and every artist and producer when and were we can. Lets hope Ministry’s reply to this is up to scratch…!
Gouloumz The BLEND MasterSeptember 15, 2009 4:59 pm
“Now with the recent massacre of shootings and people having their heads decapitated outside of their club due to drug dealers having wars about whos going to sell drugs in their club and innocent clubbers getting injured, shot and nearly killed. You would of thought they would have allot more worrying matters to attend to?”
JenaiSeptember 15, 2009 6:27 pm
Whole business is a joke b! We provide a positive way of promoting music without devaluing any means or part of the music and get rewarded like this? Dumb.
kingoftherastasSeptember 16, 2009 2:56 pm
take it as a compliment my friend. ministry of sound is a massive corporation, and if theyve found their track in your mix it must have been bought to their attention (probably because you are getting sooo many downloads!). my only suggestion to avoid this in the future is just upload the mixes, and dont bother with a CUE splitter, cuz they could be getting pissy about you supplying a “single” track or something. thats my thoughts anyways. xxx
JenaiSeptember 16, 2009 3:04 pm
I hear what your saying b. But with the amount of free tools to extract, modify and cut up MP3s even as a single track mix its really not hard to extract a song. But our mixes rarely play more than a minuet and a half of a track for a few reasons including this and stopping people stealing my exclusives lol. But Ministry saying or should i say acting like this is clearly sending out a message saying that all DJs are not allowed to make free promotional mixes of tracks they have purchased and put them online? That to us, is a madness! Like i said in the email to them, we are non profit and it costs us money and a hell of allot of time to produce, maintain and host these mixes. We don’t condone uploading music, but its very much the norm so thats why we have created a new platform using an old art to try and promote new music in a positive way. Will be interesting to hear Ministry’s response, which if we don’t hear by this week i will be calling them to trace it up. Big ups again for the support from yourself and the many others (including Ministry Of Sound signed artists and producers lol).
kingoftherastasSeptember 16, 2009 3:01 pm
also, who does all your cover art? its all amazing. dubfluencial volume five’s is my favourite 😀
JenaiSeptember 16, 2009 3:07 pm
lol well its usually a big kept secret but since you asked nicely its actually all me 🙂 but i will soon have some interns having a go at the covers.
kingoftherastasSeptember 17, 2009 1:12 pm
haha true true!! gotta look after the exclusives 😛
ive heard that that bootyluv track is going to be coming out on ministry of sound’s next addition of addicted to bass. which (if the last ones anything to go by) will be crap anyway. also isnt watch the sun come up (joker & ginz remix) forthcoming on MOS? have they gotten pissy about your inclusion of that?
and fair play, you are an amazing artist. can you draw me a picture? 😀
kingoftherastasSeptember 17, 2009 1:35 pm
and how come dubfluencial vol 1 doesnt work? i cant even get on it to see the tracklist… and tis the only one i require to complete my favourite selection of dubstep mixes 😀
JenaiSeptember 18, 2009 4:12 am
Ah its a lil secret at the mo but all will be revealed soon 🙂 lol if i had time to draw you a picture i wouldnt be as busy i as am 🙁 but i love it really lol. Also yeh Example is a friend of ours who is also signed to Ministry so its defo an odd one. Will be ringing them up on Monday to chase up our email to them.
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Jasper BarclayDecember 1, 2009 3:29 am
I took great pleasure in reading that, good points made and it was also fucking joke.
fuck corporate money making over everything else snakes in the grass.
I think it’s a brilliant idea to distribute promotional mixes and try and rouse support for supporting artists in buying digital downloads, vinyl and general dub plate business.
You’ve got me more interested in what up and coming artists and dj’s and producers have to say than ministry ever will.
I do in some ways see ministry of sound as a complete and utter joke, like there latest ploy with the sounds of the 80’s CD, I think that’s a major disrespect that they are just cramming 2 CD’s with tracks that a generation probably has already on tape, vinyl or cd that they managed to get for almost nothing back in the day and now if they want to own it they have to pay an extortionate price in order to obtain it.
JenaiDecember 1, 2009 9:36 am
@Jasper – Thanks for your nice comment bro! We feel the same hence this whole site even exists. We dont have anything against mainstream i mean look at our POP Dubfluencial mixes. Money is money, but that doesnt mean money comes without heart. There are many DJs that charge mad money but they love what they do and always raise the bar. Ministry is now the Argos of music in my eyes and pump things out because they have to please board members blah blah. Now thats fine, and i have nothing against good business but when your that big and could do so much for up and coming and the underground scene which from where you came i think is wrong. Trying to stop us being online and having our mixes up made no sense?! We are obviously not a pirate website which is how they treated us.
Worst thing was they didnt even have the balls to get back to us..! When i know for a fact a few people at Ministry heard about this. Well we are still here and not going anywhere. We have the support of the artists, producers, promoters and everyone else in-between and most importantly people like you who download and enjoy and appreciate the work that goes into the mixes and also like you said yourself we got you interested in what up and coming artists and producers have to say… to us that is priceless and shit you cant buy off a shelf in HMV.
Big ups =]
DubfishJune 21, 2010 7:39 pm
Siiiiiiiiiiiiick Read. There’s something so beautiful about Egothieves! I love that you properly support the artists. Your mixes and the whole website in general has let me in on many tunes I plan on buying for my sets(when I start Djing) and just for listening pleasure. I’m trying to get a solid Dubstep radio show going down here in South Africa and if it happens I will be using a lot of tunes I discover on here. aweh! Much Love.